Talk:QSMP for Palestine
Historical/Political Context
Hi Serilly and Tzerj, thanks for contributing to this page! I understand the desire to provide the real-world context for this fannish event. I think in the spirit of Fanlore here we should include a link to the relevant Wikipedia article, but not do non-fannish historical analysis and summary ourselves. This way, readers of this article can learn about the fannish history here, then learn the surrounding history at Wikipedia, where that page is maintained by Wikipedia editors who specialize in it. I've made the relevant edit now. If you have further ideas about how this part of the page could be worked on, please discuss here on the talk page before making edits. Thanks! -- FBV (talk) 22:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- I feel it may be helpful to provide brief context on why this charity auction selected the Palestine Children's Relief Fund. Because as it stands it's unclear and some readers may conclude that it was due to a natural disaster etc. rather than an ongoing armed conflict. Media fatigue is a thing and it can impact neurodivergent folks in particular. Some people simply don't have the bandwidth to regularly follow current events. So it's possible some readers may not be aware of the current situation. I agree that Fanlore isn't the place for in-depth coverage of geopolitics. But at the same time I also feel that articles should ideally be self-contained. Adding a short explanation of the charity's purpose seems like it would strike a balance between clarity and concision. Night Rain (talk) 01:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's true, people might skip the extra reading on the bottom and just read the summary and not realize what's going on. Also, it might be obvious to us now, but what about in the future? So maybe we can get more context in there. How about changing the first sentence of the article to include a mention of the reason and a wikipedia link? We could do it as a ref or as an inline link, ex, one of these two ways:
'''QSMP for Palestine''' was a [[charity auction]], organized on the social media site [[Twitter]], within the [[QSMP]] fandom to raise money for the Palestine Children's Relief Fund, which was selected due to the ongoing 2023 Israel-Hamas War<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war The 2023 Israel-Hamas War] on [[Wikipedia]]</ref>
'''QSMP for Palestine''' was a [[charity auction]], organized on the social media site [[Twitter]], within the [[QSMP]] fandom to raise money for the Palestine Children's Relief Fund, which was selected due to the ongoing [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war The 2023 Israel-Hamas War].
This would provide the historical context in a brief way that wouldn't require upkeep or research from us, and send people to Wikipedia to learn more of the non-fannish information. How do we feel about these two options? -- FBV (talk) 01:37, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- That's essentially what I had in mind. Is the only difference between the two proposals that one links to Wikipedia in-line and one in a reference? I feel the first option (in-line link) may be more straightforward from a reader's perspective. Linking as a reference might make it appear that the Wikipedia article is also the source for the parts of the sentence concerning the charity auction. Night Rain (talk) 01:57, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, FBV, thanks for your time and your input, however, I feel it necessary to push back on your edit. While I agree that for a broader context the user should be pointed to external resources, and that the paragraph I redacted describing the external context for the event was longer and much more detailed than what is usual for this kind of pages, as I see it, mentioning by name the scalation of violence that incited the event is not only relevant, but also customary in Fanlore for this kind of page and necessary as a matter of editorial integrity, since that scalation of Israeli state-mandated-violence against Palestinians is the reason that the fundraiser happened at all. I think it would've been fair to VERY significantly reduce the amount of information given as historical context to meet the standard used in Fanlore at large for pages about charitable events, but I think it unjust to remove all mention of the event that incited QSMP for Palestine from the article proper when the pages for charity events motivated by other causes do mention by name the events that incited them (for example see: Harringrove for Australia, Help Haiti or Fandom Loves Puerto Rico). Something along the lines of "QSMP for Palestine was organized in response to the humanitarian crisis caused by the 2023 scalation of Israeli violence against the Gaza Strip." should be added, since that's the truth, or "QSMP for Palestine was organized in response to the 2023 humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip caused by the re-scalation of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict".--Tzerj (talk) 02:27, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
Adding more context
Added links out to wikipedia articles for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip_famine and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_humanitarian_crisis_(2023%E2%80%93present) in the intro, which should provide additional context. Also created a fan reactions section that should be expanded: One thing that might be helpful as well could be adding the comments and reactions of fans to the event itself. Ex, how did fans describe the event, what were their comments on it, what were their motivations and so on? Some quotes and summaries of fans discussing their motivations for this fannish event would be in scope for Fanlore. -- FBV (talk) 20:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)