Talk:Presumed Dead
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I believe that MPDJK comes from Megan Kent back in the early 1990s -- it's always been a fav plot of hers. (I think in a review of Injured Innocents by O Yardley, which I think has a MPDJK scene near the end.)--Sherrold 07:09, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Do you mean the trope itself, or the term? The trope comes from way before the '90s - it's the staple of a few of the early fan-written but officially-published ST: TOS novels, not to mention others. If she invented the term "MPDJK" - do you have any references? Google is giving me squat! --Xparrot 13:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Is this trope the same as the "comic book death" phenomenon, or is it independent from it? I mean, the plot is essentially the same, that is a superhero dies, that plot generates exitement, only then it turns out it was really the evil twin who died, or the hero wasn't really dead, or they get resurrected some other way. Are the two synonyms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book_death --Ratcreature 08:40, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's the same idea, yeah, though I don't know if "comic book death" is the official name - the TVTropes wiki calls it Not Quite Dead and Disney Death and a few other things. Among fans, particularly as seen in fanfic, I haven't seen any consensus... --Xparrot 13:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- I guess my intention for the question wasn't clear. I wasn't wondering about a better name for this article or whether there is some sort of more "established" term, I just wondered whether "Comic book death" should be listed as synonym on this page, i.e. the two are the same and comic deaths and fanreaction to those gets a section here, or as a a "see also" that would eventually get its own page because it is more a comic book thing and the reaction to canon, than a fanfic thing, and this page would be just about the fanfic trope. Does that make sense?--Ratcreature 13:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ahh, sorry, I get it now - well, if "Comic book death" is a major fan concept then yeah, it probably deserves its own page? I'm afraid I'm not much into comics, so I don't really know much about it...fake-out deaths happen in other fandom canons too - look at Daniel Jackson! - not just comic books - but if comic fandom does have a specific word for it (and other fandoms don't, at least not that I've encountered?), it probably deserves its own definition/page?
- Or it could be included on this page - I was thinking about this as a common fic trope, same as h/c happens in many canons but is also a fic trope. Not sure if fic tropes and canon tropes are supposed to be subsumed into one section, or examined separately, or is it a case by case? Anyway, I'll add a reference, and if we get any comic book fans around they can make a page for it, would that work? --Xparrot 15:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I think making it sections in the same page works for now. Things can always get separated if they get too long. I like the idea better to have canon instances and reactions to that on the same page as fanfic tropes and their reception, because pretty much all fanfic story tropes also appear in canon after all. (At least in comics, I mean, superhero comics have everything from genderswap to deaging to sex pollen influence to mindcontrol porn stories to woke up gay to pirate AUs in their canon...*g*)--Ratcreature 16:08, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Or it could be included on this page - I was thinking about this as a common fic trope, same as h/c happens in many canons but is also a fic trope. Not sure if fic tropes and canon tropes are supposed to be subsumed into one section, or examined separately, or is it a case by case? Anyway, I'll add a reference, and if we get any comic book fans around they can make a page for it, would that work? --Xparrot 15:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)