Talia al Ghul & Jason Todd

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Relationship: Talia al Ghul & Jason Todd
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Fandom: Batman
Type: Friends, patron and protegé, former guardian and charge
Canonical?: Yes
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See also: Talia al Ghul & Damian Wayne
Jason Todd & Damian Wayne
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Background

  • Batman #400
  • Red Hood: The Lost Days (2020)
  • Red Hood and the Outlaws by James Tynion IV (2012)
  • Truth & Justice
  • Young Justice animated series
  • Batman: Death in the Family (2020)

Meta discussion

https://onlytalia.tumblr.com/post/48420310154/hello-you-said-youd-been-answering-questions

Red Hood: The Lost Days #6

In the sixth and final installment of Red Hood: The Lost Days (2010), a single page portrays Talia initiating a sexual encounter with Jason. This page is very controversial—though not as infamous as the contemporary retcon of Talia conceiving a child by date raping Bruce Wayne—to the point that many fans militantly ignore its existence. This sexual has been compared to an inappropriate relationship between a foster parent and a foster child, or a teacher and a student, and has even been described as statutory rape due to DC timeline clues that imply Jason isn't yet 18 years old.

  • Some fans believe Jason's skill as a criminal mastermind indicates mentally competent enough to fully consent to sex.
  • Some fans point to canon evidence that their sexual encounter took place before Jason's 18th birthday, and therefore it's extra creepy for an adult to sleep with an underage teenager.
  • Some fans point out that the age of consent in New Jersey was 16 years old at the time of publication, and therefore the sexual encounter doesn't meet the legal definition of statutory rape.

The Jason/Talia relationship has been compared to other controversial relationships in DCU canon such as

  • Slade Wilson/Tara Markov ("The Judas Contract")
  • Terry Long/Donna Troy (The New Teen Titans by Marv Wolfman)
  • Bruce Wayne/Barbara Gordon (specifically in Batman Beyond 2.0 and in the animated adaptation of The Killing Joke)
  • Dick Grayson/Selina Kyle (Nightwing #52 by Chuck Dixon)

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Fanon and tropes

"Baby Damian woke up and chose violence" by leendraws (28 July 2021)

Fan works

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Fan fiction

Deluge in the Wasteland FFN, AO3 FFN archive, AO3 archive by Silver SpiderDate: 2011-11-03–2013-10-07Length: 55894 wordsStatus: CompleteGenre: Romance, drama
Maybe she'd been wrong. Maybe she was hiding from the wrong person. It couldn't hurt just to see him one more time before... Bruce/Talia. Post-'Son of the Demon' AU.

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