Talk:Pirate
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A question: "Zine Piracy" redirects to "Zine Pirating" yet it the first term stays red. This happens a lot with the redirects I see. Anyway to make this work better? --Mrs. Potato Head 03:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- It's a capitalization issue, at least in this case; the redirect is from "Zine piracy", not "Zine Piracy".--Greenygal 04:16, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- But searching by both phrases "Zine piracy" and "Zine Piracy" go to "Zine Pirating" as per the redirect, keeping that link red. --Mrs. Potato Head 14:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC) Never mind. It looks like Doro fixed it. Thank you! --Mrs. Potato Head 14:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Other "Pirates"
Why can't the other articles with "Pirate" stay on this page? I know I didn't get a chance to organize/alphabetize them last night before I headed to bed, but I don't think it's bad to have them there if they were sorted neatly. For example: In the past, I've put titles with simply the single word "Dragon" at the top of the page, added a separated secondary list that was in alpha order for titles that started with Dragon and then a third part that simply had Dragon in the title. Like here [1]. --Mrs. Potato Head 14:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- That's not what disambiguation pages are for. Disambiguation pages are for pages that do have the same name (or very close with minor spelling and capitalization differences, tense, singular/plural, etc.), see Help:Disambiguation Pages. If you want to have lists of everything that uses a single word somewhere in the title, that's what lists are for. --Doro 15:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Then I've been making these similar pages wrong all along? And does File Sharing belong on this page, then? --Mrs. Potato Head 17:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- We could ask an admin for clarification... I would say File Sharing belongs there because it's usually referred to as piracy in mainstream media and someone might wikilink piracy in a context where it means file sharing, but I just discovered that there already is a disambiguation page for Piracy. Do we need two disambiguation pages for that? If not, I suggest merging on the piracy page.--Doro 18:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I totally get why File Sharing is on the page from a user's point of view, but that's for a person looking for a similar topic, not because it is spelled close to the same. In a way, the same could be said for Pirate. If it turns out that this sort of thing should be a list instead, then we have a bunch to move. And, I'm unsure how that would work from a user's point of view. Someone typing in "Pirate" or "Piracy" will go to which page first? Or will there be a link to a list on the disambiguation page, which to me is an extra step for a user. I'm fine with whatever is the "right" way, but want to make sure it works and is consistent. Also, I think Piracy should redirect to Pirate, so no need for that extra page. --Mrs. Potato Head 18:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I totally get why File Sharing is on the page from a user's point of view, but that's for a person looking for a similar topic, not because it is spelled close to the same. I disagree. Piracy is term commonly used (including this wiki) in a copyright context where it means "illegal" file sharing. A "piracy" wikilink on a page where it's used in a copyright context should give someone who clicks the link the option to find the file sharing page because that's the "piracy (copyright violation)" page we have. That's not for a person looking for a similar topic, it's for a person looking for exactly *that* topic. Someone typing in "Pirate" or "Piracy" will go to which page first? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Piracy should be the disambiguation page. Pirate would redirect to piracy.(ETA: I just noticed that you've already moved the page. ^^ Imagine the mirror version of what I just said.) Someone clicking on pirate would get to the piracy disambiguation page and hopefully find the kind of piracy there they were looking for. Ideally wikilinks should direct the readers to exactly the page they are referring to. If a click on a wikilink directs you to a disambiguation page instead of the correct page, then the wikilink should be changed to the correct page. That's what it says in the disambiguation template: "If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article." The best disambiguation pages are those that no other page links to but that's a work in progress because each new wikilink on another page that links to a disambiguation page has to be corrected by hand. --Doro 20:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I totally get why File Sharing is on the page from a user's point of view, but that's for a person looking for a similar topic, not because it is spelled close to the same. I disagree. Piracy is term commonly used (including this wiki) in a copyright context where it means "illegal" file sharing. A "piracy" wikilink on a page where it's used in a copyright context should give someone who clicks the link the option to find the file sharing page because that's the "piracy (copyright violation)" page we have. That's not for a person looking for a similar topic, it's for a person looking for exactly *that* topic. Someone typing in "Pirate" or "Piracy" will go to which page first? I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
- I totally get why File Sharing is on the page from a user's point of view, but that's for a person looking for a similar topic, not because it is spelled close to the same. In a way, the same could be said for Pirate. If it turns out that this sort of thing should be a list instead, then we have a bunch to move. And, I'm unsure how that would work from a user's point of view. Someone typing in "Pirate" or "Piracy" will go to which page first? Or will there be a link to a list on the disambiguation page, which to me is an extra step for a user. I'm fine with whatever is the "right" way, but want to make sure it works and is consistent. Also, I think Piracy should redirect to Pirate, so no need for that extra page. --Mrs. Potato Head 18:50, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- We could ask an admin for clarification... I would say File Sharing belongs there because it's usually referred to as piracy in mainstream media and someone might wikilink piracy in a context where it means file sharing, but I just discovered that there already is a disambiguation page for Piracy. Do we need two disambiguation pages for that? If not, I suggest merging on the piracy page.--Doro 18:44, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- Then I've been making these similar pages wrong all along? And does File Sharing belong on this page, then? --Mrs. Potato Head 17:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- ETA: Here is an example of two pages with the same title that are spelled close to the same: 24 Hours and 24 HOURS. If we had a 24 hours disambiguation page (all it takes is a fanwork named Twenty Four Hours and we would need one), all three pages should be listed because they have the same name, even if it's not spelled exactly the same. --Doro 20:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
- I know you explained it well, Doro, but I still don't quite understand. I'm completely unsure of how to how to proceed, and I think it's best that I stay away from messing around with the disambiguation pages as much as possible. If Dragon and similar pages are all wrong, then they'll have to be changed. --Mrs. Potato Head 21:28, 4 February 2011 (UTC)