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The tumblr post was liked and reblogged xx times. A few fans added their comments:

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{{Quotation|"i love you, fandom, and i think this entire conversation is vitally important and i’m glad we’re having it in earnest, but fhew, i have never before read such excellent essays and come to the exact opposite conclusions from the authors’. destroying the fourth wall is just so intensely not the answer to this problem; if there were any way to re-erect it and then [[Pacific Rim|station jaegers]] around it to guard it from the kaiju outside, i would have it done. fandom has way WAY too much of its own shit to sort out before we can ever engage with the mainstream on any issue of import (lgbt+ media representation, feminist media criticism, representation of PoC and the differently-abled)...

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{{Quotation|[iwritesometimes]: "i love you, fandom, and i think this entire conversation is vitally important and i’m glad we’re having it in earnest, but fhew, i have never before read such excellent essays and come to the exact opposite conclusions from the authors’. destroying the fourth wall is just so intensely not the answer to this problem; if there were any way to re-erect it and then [[Pacific Rim|station jaegers]] around it to guard it from the kaiju outside, i would have it done. fandom has way WAY too much of its own shit to sort out before we can ever engage with the mainstream on any issue of import (lgbt+ media representation, feminist media criticism, representation of PoC and the differently-abled)...

...in short, 0/10 COURSE OF ACTION, WOULD NOT RECOMMEND."<ref>{{source| url = http://iwritesometimes.tumblr.com/post/91111243549/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = things i write about sometimes - I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224175335/http://iwritesometimes.tumblr.com/post/91111243549/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|"....as far as the fourth wall protecting us from exploitation, as @zjofierose already said, it’s no longer doing that anyway. All anybody — actor, “journalist,” talent management, whomever — has to do to find out what fandom is up to and what we’re passionate about and what we’re shipping is pull out their smartphone....Your Pacific Rim analogy is really apt, tbh, because that giant wall we’ve spent so much time and blood building? It’s not keeping out shit."<ref>{{source| url = http://thewinterotter.tumblr.com/post/91123437096/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203007/http://thewinterotter.tumblr.com/post/91123437096/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|[thewinterotter]:"....as far as the fourth wall protecting us from exploitation, as @zjofierose already said, it’s no longer doing that anyway. All anybody — actor, “journalist,” talent management, whomever — has to do to find out what fandom is up to and what we’re passionate about and what we’re shipping is pull out their smartphone....Your Pacific Rim analogy is really apt, tbh, because that giant wall we’ve spent so much time and blood building? It’s not keeping out shit."<ref>{{source| url = http://thewinterotter.tumblr.com/post/91123437096/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203007/http://thewinterotter.tumblr.com/post/91123437096/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|"I know it’s corny, but there is truth in the idea that change comes from within, and that we teach people how to treat us. Obviously that’s not a full solution; but it’s a place to start. If we, collectively, begin to fully live into our own sexualities, our own passions, our own truths, it will start to affect the wider world, both inside and outside fandom. If, instead of being embarrassed by the things we’re excited about, we decide that we are not going to be ashamed of things that make us happy, it will make a difference."<ref>{{source| url = http://zjofierose.tumblr.com/post/91126283132/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = The Final Frontier - I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203224/http://www.peeep.us/72412416 | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|[zjofierose]: "I know it’s corny, but there is truth in the idea that change comes from within, and that we teach people how to treat us. Obviously that’s not a full solution; but it’s a place to start. If we, collectively, begin to fully live into our own sexualities, our own passions, our own truths, it will start to affect the wider world, both inside and outside fandom. If, instead of being embarrassed by the things we’re excited about, we decide that we are not going to be ashamed of things that make us happy, it will make a difference."<ref>{{source| url = http://zjofierose.tumblr.com/post/91126283132/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = The Final Frontier - I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203224/http://www.peeep.us/72412416 | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|"I’ve been thinking a lot about fanfic porn lately, especially the slashy side of it, about accusations of objectification and fetishization, and how that fits and feeds into the still prevalent system of oppressing and dismissing and ignoring female and queer sexuality.

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{{Quotation|[juno-magic.]:"I’ve been thinking a lot about fanfic porn lately, especially the slashy side of it, about accusations of objectification and fetishization, and how that fits and feeds into the still prevalent system of oppressing and dismissing and ignoring female and queer sexuality.

Dismissing slash fanfic as “dirty secrets” and homemade porn by straight women has two effects: on the one hand, straight and queer women are shut up for exploring their sexual fantasies, for owning their sexual identities, on the other hand queer sexualties and queer erotica are put firmly into an unsavoury corner."<ref>{{source| url = http://juno-magic.tumblr.com/post/91133520246/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... |archiveurl= http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203508/http://www.peeep.us/31154ef8 | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|"this question asks what more fandom can do than it hasn’t already done, and it is absolutely vital that we internalize everything otter outlned, but i think the question itself has an inherent flaw:

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{{Quotation|[ademska]: "this question asks what more fandom can do than it hasn’t already done, and it is absolutely vital that we internalize everything otter outlned, but i think the question itself has an inherent flaw:

it is not fandom’s responsibility to make things better.

the onus is and will always be ultimately on the creators that gave birth to the fandom to create an environment that lets it flourish. if the creative team, marketing arm, and publisher analogue are the acorn to fandom’s tree, how the hell can you expect it to flourish when the seed was bad to begin with?"<ref>{{source| url = http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = TITS MCGEE. | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203651/http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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{{Quotation|[zjofierose]:"1) The fourth wall is already compromised, and not just a little bit. We can prop it up, in places, and as I said in my original post, some folks have entirely valid reasons for doing so. I am down with people who need to protect themselves taking the appropriate actions to do so. However, for fandom, the wall is simply keeping us in, while allowing those who want to make money off of or sensationalize us to have free access. If we start to tear it down, then it comes down on our terms, and we get to help control the discussion, rather than if we wait for those who would come after us.

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2) “Fandom” doesn’t exist as an actual entity, and is thus never going to actually sort its shit out. There is no UN of Fandom, there’s no Geneva Convention. There are more and less widely accepted ways of behaving, sure, and working to change those from within is absolutely something we should be doing. But trying to put our fingers in the dike until we can get fandom all shiny and clean before going public is never going to work."<ref>{{source| url = http://zjofierose.tumblr.com/post/91128084587/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = The Final Frontier - I loved that essay on the 4th Wall you reblogged... archiveurl=

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http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203916/http://www.peeep.us/10aa642c archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

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