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==The Question==

==The Question==

{{Quotation2|"I loved [[Fandom And The Fourth Wall (aka women reading about gay sex gives people cooties)|that essay on the 4th Wall]] you reblogged but while reading it I found myself unable to quite figure out /how/ it can be broken down. I feel like mainstream media talking about fandom in a respectful and truthful way might well be the best solution to that, but what can fandom do that it isn't doing already? We're talking about our stuff, presenting actors and creators with it, but what more is there we can do?"}}

{{Quotation2|"I loved [[Fandom And The Fourth Wall (aka women reading about gay sex gives people cooties)|that essay on the 4th Wall]] you reblogged but while reading it I found myself unable to quite figure out /how/ it can be broken down. I feel like mainstream media talking about fandom in a respectful and truthful way might well be the best solution to that, but what can fandom do that it isn't doing already? We're talking about our stuff, presenting [[TPTB|actors and creators]] with it, but what more is there we can do?"}}

==Answer (Excerpts)==

==Answer (Excerpts)==

it is not fandom’s responsibility to make things better.

it is not fandom’s responsibility to make things better.

the onus is and will always be ultimately on [[TBTB|the creators]] that gave birth to the fandom to create an environment that lets it flourish. if the creative team, marketing arm, and publisher analogue are the acorn to fandom’s tree, how the hell can you expect it to flourish when the seed was bad to begin with?"<ref>{{source| url = http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = TITS MCGEE. | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203651/http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

the onus is and will always be ultimately on [[TPTB|the creators]] that gave birth to the fandom to create an environment that lets it flourish. if the creative team, marketing arm, and publisher analogue are the acorn to fandom’s tree, how the hell can you expect it to flourish when the seed was bad to begin with?"<ref>{{source| url = http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | title = TITS MCGEE. | archiveurl = http://web.archive.org/web/20141224203651/http://ademska.tumblr.com/post/91103039903/i-loved-that-essay-on-the-4th-wall-you-reblogged | archivedate = 2014-12-24 }}</ref>}}

{{Quotation|[zjofierose]:"1) The fourth wall is already compromised, and not just a little bit. We can prop it up, in places, and as I said in my original post, some folks have entirely valid reasons for doing so. I am down with people who need to protect themselves taking the appropriate actions to do so. However, for fandom, the wall is simply keeping us in, while allowing those who want to make money off of or sensationalize us to have free access. If we start to tear it down, then it comes down on our terms, and we get to help control the discussion, rather than if we wait for those who would come after us.

{{Quotation|[zjofierose]:"1) The fourth wall is already compromised, and not just a little bit. We can prop it up, in places, and as I said in my original post, some folks have entirely valid reasons for doing so. I am down with people who need to protect themselves taking the appropriate actions to do so. However, for fandom, the wall is simply keeping us in, while allowing those who want to make money off of or sensationalize us to have free access. If we start to tear it down, then it comes down on our terms, and we get to help control the discussion, rather than if we wait for those who would come after us.