P@rnBurned Track - Dr@gonriders of P@rn

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Name: P@rnBurned Track - Dr@gonriders of P@rn
Owner/Maintainer: Dee Dreslough?
Dates: late 1990s, perhaps early 2000s
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Fandom: Dragonriders of Pern
URL: P@rnBurned Track - Dr@gonriders of P@rn
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P@rnBurned Track - Dr@gonriders of P@rn was a support group (mailing list?) for persecuted and disgruntled Dragonriders of Pern fans.

It was part of Burned for Fandom.

The site included a link to a single testimonial: Who is Dee Dreslough, and why is she doing this?.

The Tracks

There were four lists (tracks):

  • FanRights ("This is list for people working for fan rights in our genre: the people in the gunsights.")
  • Burned ("This is the list for people interested in working through their emotional issues from our genre, as well as invited supporters.")
  • Singed ("This is the list for active and inactive fans who aren't interested in fan rights issues, issues with club owners or the McC@ffreys, but want to work through emotional issues only.")
  • Pernicious ("A general list for supporters with particular interest in Pernfandom itself, and any Burned or Singed members.")

Disguising One's Tracks on the Internet

The name of the fandom nor its original creators was never spelled out.

Instead: Pern = P@rn, Dragonriders = Dr@gonriders of P@rn, Anne and/or Todd McCaffrey = Mcc@ffreys or McC's.

In the case of trademarked terms, first vowels have been replaced with @ to avoid search engine liststings. However, we do reserve our rights under the First Amendment of the Constitution to gather freely to discuss issues that are important to us. We're not using the actual trademarked terms, but we would like to somehow safely acknowledge the (c), tm and (r) for each property anyway. So, in general, if you see a trademarked term on here - it is the property of the rightsholder for that genre. This is not an attempt to obscure who owns what -- we just don't know how to cite them without being accused of using their notoriety to further our publicity. [1]

General Statement

General Statement Re: FanRights (formerly lumped in with Burned) Legal Intentions

We've been told the 'buzz' about us is that we're fixing bring a massive ruinous lawsuit against the McC@ffreys or something along those lines. We have no intention nor are we preparing to instigate (start, be a plaintiff in) any litigation of the Mcc@ffreys or anyone else. Our legal funds exist for the defense of fan-created works when an author chooses to take these issues to court and targets a specific fan. This requires the author or propertyholder to make the first move. We now know the free remedy to a site being removed from an ISP thanks to FanFictionDefense.com, so a lawyer won't come into play in our defense of fan work until an actual court case is filed by an author or rightsholder.

From Dee: There are, I believe, many P@rn fans who would like to see these issues settled by a third party rather than just trusting the legal arguments of a lawyer working for the McC's, or non-lawyers in the McCs' organization. I myself intend to support the fan who chooses to take on something that is expected to be a very very expensive endeavor. I feel it's anti-democratic for someone to win a dispute just because the other side isn't wealthy enough to mount a decent defense. The precident [sic] set by a case like this will benefit all of fandom in the US, and possibly the world - authors, fans, future fans, future authors. I'd like to see the fans know for sure that they have more lattitude [sic] under the law (yeah... I'm pro-fan) so I'm throwing my chips in with the fan who's going to paint the bullseye on themselves for the good of all fandom. I hope, if the time comes, more fans choose to do the same. This precident [sic] may well not be set by or in this genre, by the way. If you know of a fan in another genre facing legal action, please let Dee know.

We all need some kind of third party official rules to avoid causing our favorite authors/creators to have to take the uncomfortable position of having to correct a fan, and to avoid the emotional pain for the fan when this happens, as well as the financial issues. We all don't agree on what those rules should be, or even legally what they are. But, an unbiased third party would really help with this. Because the rules have changed so many times, and the explanations have been different, it's hard for some of us to trust the McCs to be fair arbiters of what's actually legal under fair use and copyright law.

If a lawyer out there can cite a precident [sic] for us to help us determine the line of fair use via copyright and trademark infringement, we'd greatly appreciate it. We have opinions all over the map right now. [2]

FanRights

FANRIGHTS:

This is list for people working for fan rights in our genre: the people in the gunsights. People posting dissenting opinions, waging legal defenses of their fan properties, and their selected supporters. This list allows heated debate, as well as supportive and constructive talk. This is for people taking action to try to improve the fandom from either the inside or the outside.

Requirements for joining FanRights

Members agree to keep the confidences of members of the list - do not distrubute [sic] the contents of posts or the identities of posters outside of the list. (If a link is publicly available, it's fine to cite that link as if you'd discovered it yourself, though. But do not mention Burned. It only hurts your argument with our detractors anyway.)

You must be strongly in favor of fandom as a legal right, falling under the fair use statute. You don't need to agree that fan-fiction authors and artists have any right to sell their creations, but you should agree that they have every right to make them under the first amendment, and post them publicly. The logic: If it's legal to parody a property, why isn't it legal to honor a property?

Joining:

This board uses a review process. You need to write an introduction requesting to join the list. You do not need to give up your identity -- Dee can help you author it so that no one on the list can tell who you are. Knowing a member already in FanRights who will vouch for you will help you join the list most easily. [3]

Burned

BURNED:

This is the list for people interested in working through their emotional issues from our genre, as well as invited supporters. If you find yourself saying things like 'It was just a fansite! Why do they have the right to wipe it off the 'net?' or 'There are only X number of Mushes running in this genre. It's terrible that they're running like cliques and are popularity contests. That means most people *can't* play fairly.' then you're probably Burned material. Burned is for people who do not think the McC@ffreys and/or club owners have a right to manage things as they have been managing them, but do not intend to take action.

Please note -- this group is meant to be a support group only. Arguments and disparaging of other Burned members in here are no longer allowed, and hot debates need to move to FanRights, where the list is designed for that purpose. This is for emotional recovery ONLY. This list *IS* for emotional venting, but please label a rant as a rant so other members know not to take it too seriously. That is why it is confidential.

Note to non-members: No libel or public disparagement is intended in here, and only opinions are being stated. This list is a place to vent in private to an understanding audience so we *don't* say anything unfair in public. Since the posts are never supposed to leave the circle, we never expected this to be a problem, but a member (ex member, I hope) of Burned was kind enough to forward our posts verbatim to the McC@ffrey staffers and lots of other people not in Burned, so I restate this here. |:P

Requirements:

Members agree to keep the confidences of members of the list - do not distrubute [sic] the contents of posts or the identities of posters outside of the list. (If a link is publicly available, it's fine to cite that link as if you'd discovered it yourself, though. But do not mention Burned. It only hurts your argument with our detractors anyway.)

You must be at least mildly in agreement that the way the P@rn owners have been managing their fandom, and the way some club owners choose to politic, is wrong and/or hurtful. We generally don't defend their actions in here, as you can guess.

Application Process:

This board uses a review process. You need to write an introduction requesting to join the list. You do not need to give up your identity or what clubs you've been in -- Dee can help you author it so that no one on the list can tell who you are. Knowing a member already in FanRights who will vouch for you will help you join the list most easily. Email your intro paragraph and reasons for wanting to join to: dee@dreslough.com. Be sure to show which parts you want forwarded on to Burned itself.

Other rules of the list:

This board also uses a monthly email roll-call. (If you don't want your real email known to the list, we recommend getting an account at hotmail, yahoo, or ziplip and subscribe that one to the list only.) Idlers will be removed without notice, but can re-apply. Bounced emails will be removed if the person can't reconnect within two weeks. We also reserve the right to prune emails off the list without notice when hard evidence of a confidentiality breach is found. [4]

Singed

SINGED:

This is the list for active and inactive fans who aren't interested in fan rights issues, issues with club owners or the McC@ffreys, but want to work through emotional issues only. If you say 'Well, they had every right to do what they did...I just hated it and it hurt, and I can't seem to get past it', then this is the list for you. However, if you can, we recommend that you create your own yahoogroup rather than using Burned directly, unless you don't mind being labeled automatically as an enemy of McC@ffrey just because you've chosen to use our resources. They're tending to lump us all together.

Requirements:

Members agree to keep the confidences of members of the list - do not distrubute [sic]the contents of posts or the identities of posters outside of the list. (If a link is publicly available, it's fine to cite that link as if you'd discovered it yourself, though. But do not mention Burned. It only hurts your argument with our detractors anyway.)

You must be at least mildly in agreement that the way the P@rn owners have been managing their fandom, and the way some club owners choose to politic, is fully within their rights to do, even if it hurts members.

Application Process:

This board uses a review process. You need to write an introduction requesting to join the list. You do not need to give up your identity or what clubs you've been in -- Dee can help you author it so that no one on the list can tell who you are. Knowing a member already in Singed who will vouch for you will help you join the list most easily. Email your intro paragraph and reasons for wanting to join to: dee@dreslough.com. Be sure to show which parts you want forwarded on to Singed itself. [5]

References

  1. General Statement
  2. General Statement
  3. Fan Rights
  4. Burned
  5. Singed