Talk:Side by Side (Star Trek: TOS zine)

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Open Doors import of Side By Side : Missing Artwork as of August 8, 2020

After extensive searching and help from many people, most of the Side By Side e-zine has been recovered. The main loss is artwork, and while a lot has been recovered and obtained from alternative sources, there are still many artworks that have not been found. For completeness, I've listed what's still missing @ August 8, 2020. If you think you can help with missing art please let me know.

I have marked with * artists I've contacted but who are unable to provide a copy of their work. Sahviere (talk) 04:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)


SBS Issue Title/Desc Artist SBS file name Archive source page
Special Edition 5 Untitled TACS TACS_KS1.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kardasi.com/SBS/Special-V/art.htm
 
Special Edition 6 Best in the Galaxy Mina Vantolak* BestInTheGalaxy.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Special-VI/art.htm
 
Issue 10 Shooting Stars Hypatia shooting_stars.png http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Ten/art-sbs-10.htm
 
Issue 12 For Jim Gwen Marzin for-jim-gwen.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twelve/art.htm
Issue 12 The Predator Ingela predator.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twelve/art.htm
Issue 12 Solitary Release Ingela spockinkexperiment-small.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twelve/art.htm
 
Issue 19 "Do you people have cameras in our cabin?" Unknown st5.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Nineteen/
Issue 19 Livejournal icon Mrs Spock ks04.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Nineteen/
Issue 19 Livejournal icon Mrs Spock ks05.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Nineteen/
Issue 19 Livejournal icon Mrs Spock ks06.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Nineteen/
Issue 19 Livejournal icon Mrs Spock ks08.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Nineteen/
Issue 19 The Misunderstanding inline art Unknown ks1.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/misunderstanding.html
Issue 19 The Logic of Passion inline art Unknown ks2.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/passion.html
Issue 19 Dragon-Meld inline art Unknown ks3.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/dragonmeld.html
Issue 19 Dialogue inline art Unknown ks4.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/dialogue.html
Issue 19 Bonding for Dummies inline art Unknown ks5.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/bonding-for-dummies.html
Issue 19 A Farewell inline art Unknown ks6.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/farewell.html
Issue 19 Hope Lives in Many Universes inline art Unknown ks7.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/hope.html
Issue 19 In Sickness and In Health inline art Unknown ks8.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/health.html
Issue 19 To Be Human inline art Unknown kirkgasping.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/human.html
Issue 19 Heart of Stone inline art Unknown heart.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com:80/SBS/Nineteen/heart-of-stone.html
 
Issue 20 Loneliness of Command Gamin Davis LonelinessofCommand.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Issue 20 Pre-Trial Mind Touch Gamin Davis ODB2PreTrialMindTouch.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Issue 20 Ease Into Love inline art kira-nerys child4.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/ease-kira.htm
Issue 20 Ease Into Love inline art kira-nerys TOS38.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/ease-kira.htm
Issue 20 Headshots jenla* headshots.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Issue 20 Top Half jenla* tophalf300dpi.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Issue 20 Side jenla* side.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Issue 20 Feet jenla* feet.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/Twenty/art.htm
Note: according to jenla, these four images were thumbnails set up as 'teasers' for the one larger image. I can't find any other jpg associated with #20 that may be that larger image
 
Issue 22 "I told you we were being watched, Jim." Unknown peeping.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kardasi.com/SBS/TwentyTwo/
Issue 22 Vulcan Heat inline art Starshadow* VulcanHeat.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kardasi.com/SBS/TwentyTwo/
 
Issue 23 Climbing Unknown climbing.jpg http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.kardasi.com/SBS/TwentyThree

Sahviere (talk) 00:36, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

TACS' Art

I see there is a lot of art by TACS attached to his zine. What is the best way to link it to her gallery on Fanlore? Direct images? A link only? Is the art posted to this e-zine have different rules than with a print zine? Not sure how to proceed... Mrs. Potato Head 17:16, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

re your comment about not being able to access certain zines: I'll try to access the remaining zines and see if I can add them. --Morgandawn 18:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: one of the fanartists. I suspect that the Helen linked here is a different person from Helenish, the fanwriter. Does anyone know more about this person? Should she be linked to Helen (Fan Artist)? Helen should probably be changed from a redirect to a disambig page.--æthel 05:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

That is a good idea, and I assume the Helen in the T'hy'la (U.S. fanzine) article might be the same, and there she is listed once ambiguously and once for poetry if I understand it right, so I think maybe distinguishing as and artist may be not ideal. Maybe as Helen (Star Trek fan)? IDK. A disambig would be also needed because searching for "Helen" in this wiki shows a Helen Montgomery, a Helen Potter, a Helen Olson, a Helen Sneddon, a Helen McCarthy (the latter two also mentioned in TOS zines, so I don't know whether maybe one of those may be this Helen), a Helen B, a Helen Cutter, a Helen Morgan (also in Trek, as a Surak Award winner), a Helen Raven, a Helen Merrick, a Helen Woolverton (who may be the Helen W. that is listed in others), a Helen L. W., a Helen Adams, a Helen Leithead, a Helen Parkinson, a Helen Patrick, a Helen Dye, a Helen Bookman, a Helen Connor, a no-last-name Helen doing S&H zine art, a Helen Pettigrew, a Helen Charlotte Hill, a Helen Commodore, and that is just on the first two pages. Then there is the Joan of Arcadia character, and probably other characters as well.--RatCreature 10:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Site might disappear

Just wanted to give a heads up that the links for SBS may start disappearing even though at the moment they are archived by the Wayback Machine. It seems like certain major domain groups are putting robots.txt which also removes previous archived pages. Meaning the wayback machine will not be able to pull it up. Not sure if it'll happen and if so when, but there's been discussions about this on the Wayback Machine's forums. Not sure if we could archive it elsewhere or what. But I figured someone should know.--Shivohn 00:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes this has been an ongoing problem since 2009 and the Internet Archive is are unlikely to change their policy. It is possible to WebCite a WayBack Machine page, but this is labor intensive. However, Kardasi's site is extensive and crosses many fandoms so it would be worth documenting the pages. For example, I just documented (as best I could) the Harry/Snape Fuh-Q-Fest. Perhaps we can divvy up the sections? --MeeDee 05:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. At least we would have some sort of record. I'm going to go through what's already listed on for SBS and add the Art citations...and then maybe start on the Slash Advent Calendars? And people can fill in on what's missing? Another possibility at least for the KS stuff is whether it could get shifted to KS Archive? --Shivohn 12:51, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
What I can do is create WebCites for the SBS and Slash Advent pages which you could then add to Fanlore? I'll also email Kathy R to see if the K/S Archive can add some of the stories. I'll then focus on the non-trek sites on Kardasi. I haven't been able to confirm that Kardasi is one of the parked websites with a no robots.tx file (but it seems likely given the company that now owns it." --MeeDee 14:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I would defintely be willing to help out with that. I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing so please bear with me. I've been hit with robots.txt for some of the Slash Advent stories which is why I mentioned it. Saving it on KSA would work or if someone could compile each zine and upload it into a collection on AO3. That could work just as well. I'm sure people would volunteer and if not, I would be happy to volunteer since I would like to see them be archived. --Shivohn 15:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Great! I'll work on the webcites this weekend. I am not certain how long they'll hold up, but they'll certain be better than nothing. You can see how I am applying the webcites here - For Side by Side (and possibly the K/S Advent) you'd be adding one for each story. I do know that the A03 will accept 'at risk" archives, but you'd need to get the archivist permission to move the stories over. Is Lady Kardasi still around to ask?--MeeDee 15:39, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
You might want to ask either Kathy R. or Killa. I'm pretty sure it was run by Kira (kira-nerys), and she did have an LJ but I don't know if she's still around. I could try messaging Greywolf since he does have an LJ and his stories used to be stored on the site. And I could send a message via Kira's LJ and see if she responds. --Shivohn 15:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
I sent a message to Kathy R last night. Let me know if we hear back from Kira since she'll be the linchpin for formal archiving.--MeeDee 16:48, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
According to Greywolf, no one's has heard from her since 2006. He says to go ahead and archive everything and worry about getting permissions later...Thoughts? --Shivohn 14:27, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Email me? I am chatting with Kathy R about Side by Side. I heard back from the Smallville challenge moderators about their plans to mirror Clexfest.--MeeDee 17:57, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if resurrecting old threads is frowned upon, but did the idea of archiving as much of SBS as could be saved go anywhere? I've been searching most of the KS archive/story sites I can find, and haven't found anything yet that looks even close. --Sahviere
Sahviere, I'm forwarding this message to MeeDee. --MPH (talk) 14:16, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Shivohn never contacted me. so no idea how to reach her. But anyone can archive (ex Clexfest archived the text on DW) and then run that through the WBM as a secondary backup.MeeDee (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the info! You mentioned in 2012 that you were talking with Kathy R about Side by Side, did anything much come from that? I have found what I hope is an up to date email for Lady Kardasi, and am contacting for permission to archive to AO3. --Sahviere