Other Times and Places

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Title: Other Times and Places
Publisher: OTP Press (aka Other Times and Places Press)
Editor(s): Susan Douglass
Date(s): 1990-1995
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Medium: print
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Fandom: The Professionals
Language: English
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Contents

Other Times and Places is a slash anthology of Professionals AU fiction and poetry.

Regarding Subject, Place, and Ownership

The editor writes:
This might sound contradictory to our "stealing" of media characters, specifically two CI5 agents, from a British TV show. But media producers, for the most part, have chosen not to legally pursue fan writers. I suppose they could if they wanted to (George Lucas did). But fantasy/SF writers have shown themselves to be more possessive. I can see their point. How would you writers, who have created A/U's around your Bodie and Doyle characters, react if you found out that another writer was writing in your B/D universe without your permission or input? Perhaps it's because most media settings are the work of myriad people, whereas most written universes (whether media-based or completely original) are the works of single creators. Comments anyone? At any rate, because I want to avoid legal problems with fantasy/SF writers, my all-A/U zine, "Other Times and Places" cannot accept stories placed specifically in a commercially-printed writer's established fantasy/SF setting. Use the writer's universe as a stepping-off place to create an original setting instead. [1]

Issue 1

cover of issue #1, TACS

Other Times and Places 1 was published in 1990 and is 176 pages long. Cover art is by TACS, interior art is by TACS, Adrian Morgan, Pat Cash and others

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 1

See reactions and reviews for And Memories Die.

Issue 2

front cover of issue #2, TACS
flyer for issue #2

Other Times and Places 2 was published in 1991 and contains 196 pages. Art: cover by TACS and interior art by Adrian Morgan and Pat Cash.

  • Journal by Gene Delapenia - 1 page
  • The Dark Beside the Sea by Susan Douglass - Silent Lily #6, "Raimond/Gullaume" - 2 pages
  • Sympathetic Magic by Sue-Anne Hartwick - 8 pages ("CI5 agent Ray Doyle is in trouble again. Can Bodie's new-found magic save him?")
  • Prince of the Mists by Jane - 43 pages ("An old English countryside. Lieutenant Bodie encounters a young, curly-headed man on the road -- an object of supernatural abuse. A tale of the vampyre.")
  • The Blind Eye by Jean Lamb - 1 page
  • After the Fire by Cat Shannon - 10 pages ("After the horrors of the Third World War, agents Bodie and Doyle must somehow piece together the remnants of CI5 and their lives.")
  • Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money) by Stew - 18 pages ("Can two 'ne'er do wells' make good? Can they find the love they hold for each other?")
  • Legacy of Temptation by Ellis Ward - 98 pages (winner of a 1992 FanQ) ("Ghosts from his past haunt eminent writer Ray Doyle. Can computer technician Bodie help Ray exorcise them?")
  • Poetry:
  • "Always" and "Love's Dreams" by Cybel Harper
  • Earth Spirit, Water Sprite by Cybel Harper
  • Caught and Found by Jude
  • Lord Bodie the Younger by Jude
  • Last Night I Dreamed by Gene Delapenia
  • Reconciliation by Jude

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 2

See reactions and reviews for Opportunities (Let's Make Lots of Money).
See reactions and reviews for After the Fire.
See reactions and reviews for Prince of the Mists.
[zine]: Ah! A fanzine that does what it promises... from the opening editorial to the closing clip-clops of ghostly horses on Baker Street, this Professionals zine promises and delivers fine love stories in an alternate universe setting. Upon reflection, the general tone of OTAPII is heavy on the supernatural... 'Prince of Mists' represents vampyres, 'Legacy of Temptation' brings in the daemons, and 'Sympathetic Magic' speaks for itself. But don't get the impression that this s all you'll find: a poem by Jude entitled 'Caught and Found' and a wonderful short story by Stew called 'Opportunities' (Let's Make Lots of Money) center on Bodie and Doyle in a criminal setting -- as crims! All works are high quality with sound plotting and wrenching adventures with emphasis on the special nature of the Bodie/Doyle relationship that transcends time and place. Editor Nina Boal is to be congratulated for a top drawer publication. The top drawer is where I keep all those special zines that have the ability to feed the mind as well as the libido. [2]

Issue 3

cover of issue #3, TACS

Other Times and Places 3 was published in 1992 and contains 276 pages. The cover art is by TACS and the interior art is by TACS, Cat Anesto, Baravan, Adrian Morgan and Jane Mailander.

the original artwork for this cover, dated 1986, 18 inches x 22 inches framed
  • Poetry:
  • Nightclub Singer by Jude
  • Song to Larton by Joan Enright
  • The Minstrel and the Night by Jude
  • First Encounter by Jude
  • From Me to You by Jude
  • The Hunter by Lynda
  • The Hunted by Lynda
  • Eternity's Dream by Lynda

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 3

[zine]: I'm relatively new to Professionals fandom. When I began reading the wide selection of Pros zines and stories, I quickly discovered a genre not generally explored in my previous randoms: the alternate universe. It seems that no matter what your taste or particular view of The Lads might be, there is a Bodie and Doyle for you out there, somewhere. From the hard boys of England's CI5 to forest-loving elves, to pirates, to ancient Celts, to artists and writers, teachers and blacksmiths, soldiers and concert pianists, W.A.P. Bodie and Raymond Doyle live and love in every form and time imaginable. It's a genre I've quickly grown to love.

While you will find alternate universe stories sprinkled throughout various zines, there is one series of zines dedicated to this particular classification. Other Times and Places, to quote editor Nina Boal, features "concepts which travel to the outer limits and beyond, within the realms of imagination." I've chosen one zine in this series (purely personal preference) to discuss.

Other Times and Places III is a hefty zine (152,800 words) containing offerings by three of my favorite Bodie/Doyle authors: Jane, Ellis Ward, and Jane Mailander. These three are all experienced writers and superb storytellers. Between them, their tales take up slightly more than half this zine. This, to me, is a recommendation in itself.

Jane's offering is "Strangers on the Shore," one of the sweeping historical romances she does so well. In this one, set in the days when steamers were just beginning to compete with the great sailing ships, Bodie is a sailing ship captain, while Doyle is the son and heir of an ailing shipbuilder who is rapidly running his business into the ground. The relationship is already in place between the two men, and the story revolves around how they deal with their illicit love, set against the backdrop of the nineteenth century shipping industry. The author does her usual commendable job of weaving a tapestry of sights and sounds in whatever time frame she chooses in which to set a story. There's romance, intrigue, angst a-plenty, and—at last—a happy ending. Tacs' bold, spare illustrations—her style always seems to capture Bodie and Doyle to perfection—truly illustrate the story. My only complaint here is that there weren't more; both Lads look simply smashing in nineteenth century clothing! As for the story, it's simple: if you like Jane's style and storytelling flair, you'll enjoy "Strangers on the Shore."

"Broadcast Difficulties," by Ellis Ward, is the sequel to a story called "Echo," which appeared in Chalk and Cheese 07. (It's worth picking up a copy of C&C 7 to get the first story and read about how the two characters in this universe get together.) In Ward's delightful tale, Bodie is a human captain of his own space freighter, the Behemoth, and Doyle is a Vauxan, a species that is empathic. "Echos," the first story, told how they crossed paths, fell in love, and were bonded. "Broadcast Difficulties*' continues the saga as Bodie and Doyle, with their resident pet, Asper, go about their business of hauling cargo. Asper is a sfang, a fascinating little creature, also empathic, who plays an integral part in both stories. To go into too much detail would spoil the fun, and there's plenty of fun in this story. Ward is, quite simply, an excellent writer, and this story is yet one more example of her talent.

Jane Mailander's contribution is "Beau and the Beast," based on the fairy tale. (Perhaps more accurately, the author herself credits Jean Cocteau's film, La Belle et le Bete, for the premise and inspiration.) Mailander has a real flair for taking an established and recognizable plot and giving it her own special Bodie and Doyle twist. It's not a matter of replacing characters in a story with a dark-haired, blue-eyed man and a curly-headed bloke with green eyes and calling it an alternate universe. She takes their personalities and merges them with the characters so smoothly that you never see any seams. This story has the feel of a fairy tale throughout, all the way to the enchantingly happy ending.

And there's more in OTP 3, including (but not limited to): a crossover with Upstairs, Downstairs (making use of Gordon Jackson's role in that miniseries—he was also Controller of CI5 in The Professionals); an appearance by Phillip Mark of Robin of Sherwood fame; a story set in the Bladerunner universe (with particularly effective illos by Pat Cash); and a lovely little fantasy piece in which Bodie crosses paths—again—with Death (but with a thankfully happy ending).

I consider OTP 3 a 'no-frills' zine. There is sparse anwork (some of it very good, some of it not), and the stories are all set in different typefaces, giving some a slick, professional look, while others suffer from poor formatting and obviously penned-in corrections. But I'm one of those fans who don't need all the bells and whistles in a zine. I appreciate them if they're there, but they're not essential. Just give me good, solid stories, and make me believe I'm hearing the characters (not always that easy in alternate universe tales) and I'll cheerfully hand over my money for the experience. Several of the stories in this zine did that for me, and I considered my money well spent. [3]
[Broadcast Difficulties]: This is the sequel to Echo. My last rec. Why read this? For the sfang, of course! What becomes of the cute, ferocious critter. . . . oh, did I mention they are being chased by Cowley. This is another chance to become lost in this universe. Oh, more Bodie and Doyle as well - I never get tired of Bodie and Doyle!. Now come on, indulge me... [4]

Issue 4

Other Times and Places 4 was published in 1993 and contains 199 pages. Cover art is by TACS and the interior art is by TACS, Jane, and Karen Eaton.

cover of issue #5, TACS: "I wasn't entirely sure who was supposed to be on the cover of this zine, although it's a pretty enough picture, but the fact that it was a young man with most of his chest showing, standing in front of a unicorn, both of them in the water, didn't lead me to expect great things, I have to admit. But..." [5]

From Media Monitor: "Features 'The Swordsman,' a novel-length fantasy work by Jane. Doyle is a mercenary master swordsman with a cat as his familiar. He is hired to guard Bodie from real and magical enemies. The Little Merman, a novel by Jane Mailander. Ray is a denizen of a race related to dolphins. Is he willing to pay the price to live among humans? Incubus, a novella by Dee. C15 agent Ray Doyle has mysterious powers and wild fantasies which involve his partner. Poems, cartoons, art and more!"

Summaries from the original zine flyer:

  • Incubus by Dee - 43 pages (CI5 agent Ray Doyle finds that he has mysterious powers, and he finds himself engaging in wild fantasies and dreams, all forbidden by the strict teachings of his upbringing. Of course his dark-haired partner plays a big part in these fantasies...And are they really just fantasies?)
  • And Now For Something Completely Different by Gena Fisher - 7 pages
  • The Swordsman by Jane - 106 pages (published as a standalone novel called The Swordsman) (Bodie, bearing an old wound from warfare is the uneasy and unhappy heir to a feudal realm. A mysterious swordsman, accompanied by a cat comes into town. Bodie hires this master swordsman to guard against enemies, magical and real.)
  • The Little Merman by Jane Mailander - 33 pages (Ray, a denizen of an underseas race related to dolphins finds himself longing for places above, among humans. Is he willing to pay the price?)
  • Mother's Best Girl by Jude (poem)
  • Fallen Angels by Jude (poem)
  • Traitor by Jude (poem)
  • Dream Weaver by Jude (poem)

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 4

See reactions and reviews for Incubus.
[zine]: I wasn't entirely sure who was supposed to be on the cover of this zine, although it's a pretty enough picture, but the fact that it was a young man with most of his chest showing, standing in front of a unicorn, both of them in the water, didn't lead me to expect great things, I have to admit. But...

I really enjoyed this zine! There are essentially four stories within (the four poems really aren't my thing), all alternative universe.

"The Little Merman" by Jane Mailander sounds like a relatively dreadful premise - Doyle is the merman in question, Bodie the human he falls for - but Mailander completely pulls it off. It's a historical fantasy au, and I really enjoyed it. Well written, neither soppy nor plain, just right in fact! (This is the only story available outside the zine, at time of writing).

"The Swordsman" is a long fantasy story from Jane. Bodie is heir to a dukedom, and his life is in danger. Doyle, a swordsman travelling the lands for reasons he keeps to himself, is hired as his bodyguard, and with the help of a few original characters they manage to uncover the plot and the plotters. The ending, though, is not at all what I expected, which was actually quite refreshing!

"The Incubus", by Dee, sees Doyle discovering a rather unusual ability (yeah, guess which, eh?) and is a mixture of slightly-mission and relationship based plot. Another enjoyable read.

Finally, "And Now For Something Completely Different" by Gena Fisher - well, with a title like that I really should have guessed, but I didn't and so I giggled quite alot all the way through. Just to taunt you a little:

"... dead, I'm tellin you." Bodie pointed out as he and Doyle regarded their prisoner. Doule shook his head, he had a bad track where the longevity of prisoner's lives were involved and so refused to be convinced without proof. "Nah, 's not dead. Just restin'." Doyle edged closer nudging the man with the toe of his boot."

See where Fisher is going with that..?

In general, yes there are some typos and some grammar mistakes - but I only noticed the latter when I was typing out that excerpt, the writing is good enough that you skim over them, otherwise.

In general - liked this zine, recommend it! (As long as you're happy with alternate universe and fantasy, anyway!) [6]

Issue 5

cover of issue #5, TACS
another version of the cover of issue #5, TACS

Other Times and Places 5 was published in 1994 and contains 152 pages. The cover is by TACS and the interior art is by TACS, RAG and Cat.


Issue 6

cover of issue #6

Other Times and Places 6 was published in 1995 and is 90 pages long.

References

  1. from Cold Fish and Stale Chips #6
  2. from The Zine Connection #16
  3. from Psst... Hey Kid, Wanna Buy a Fanzine? #6. The reviewer in gives it "4 trees." The reviewers in "Psst... Hey Kid, Wanna Buy a Fanzine?" rated zines on a 1-5 tree/star scale. See that page for more explanation.
  4. Broadcast Difficulties, review posted to Crack Van by krisserci5
  5. from the review on this page
  6. from Palely Loitering
  7. from The Hatstand
  8. The zine version has about 1500 less words than the pro version. -- from a post at Seeking Pros list makers and readers of Mel Keegan's books; WebCite
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