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Fan Rated

Is there a cite for the "Fan Rated whatever" being the most popular new rating method? I've seen it on a few mailing lists here and there, but it's rare enough in my corner of fandom that I always have to stop and think about what the letters mean; mostly, movie ratings are still used. And fanfiction.net is using this ratings system, going from K to MA, these days. --Arduinna 23:47, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I've seriously never encountered it at all, so I'd like some kind of cite too. --Betty 23:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Wow, so THAT is what FRAO means? I didn't even realize it was a rating. A couple of authors in XF have started using it--I just figured it was some "limited-use" tag-ish term from a mailing list that I didn't know the meaning of, and really didn't care enough to figure out the meaning of. Although I did come up with interesting ideas the first couple of times I saw it --Deirdre 03:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
I've never heard of it, either, so I changed the wording to "one new rating system that arose". It may be wildly popular in some corner of fandom, but not in any LJ fandoms I've participated in, nor on FFN, or indeed, any other archives I have seen. --Kyuuketsukirui 23:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. It's the only (alternate) system that I see in my corners of fandom, but that's no argument for its universal popularity.--Ari 00:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Same here - I see it around every now and then, but it's not used much in my corner of fandom. --Dora 00:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

MPAA And Other Movie Ratings

I've revised the "Fanfiction Ratings, as translated from other rating systems" section a bit, both for clarity and to tone down the X/MA/NC-17 section a bit (plenty of NC-17 stories don't contain anything other than graphically-described sex between consenting adults.) I've also used different examples for "disturbing content that might earn an NC-17," because I think "demonic possession" could fit into any rating and is unlikely to be a reason by itself for an author to rate a story NC-17.

That said, I'm not entirely sure the R/NC-17 and M/MA/X distinction lines up neatly; if "MA" or "X" 'does' usually imply more extreme/kinky/edgy sexual content than just "explicit descriptions of sex," I think we need to talk about it separately from NC-17.--Penknife 19:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I think R/M line up, and I know that 'X' was abolished in 1990 as a rating by the MPAA, and replaced with NC-17. (see This Day in History 1990: X rating abolished. Does anyone actually use it to rate fan fiction? I know erotica companies still use it as a marketing tool, but I don't know if people use it on fan fic or if they just go with NC-17. And I don't really know anything about MA, but fannish osmosis leads me to think that it's more like R. For example, sot core erotica/porn The Red Shoes Diaries is rated R in the US, MA in Australia, and UK 18. Similar with The Pillow Book, only that one is rated at age 12 in Germany and France. --rache 19:38, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm only familiar with the US system, so I really don't know. My initial concern was that "MA" might be a higher/stronger rating than NC-17, because NC-17/MA was being described as "almost always" including more extreme content than my idea of a basic NC-17 story, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. I haven't seen anyone using "X," no -- we could take that out.--Penknife 20:45, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to cite this, but go to wikipedia entry on british board of film classification, and then to the "Current Concerns" section. Paragraphs 3, 4 and 5 pertain to what has been stated on this rating page regarding the Austrailian MA being less restrictive than NC-17, and "There are minimal restrictions of the depiction of non-sexual nudity, which is allowed in even U and PG certificate films, but scenes of (simulated) sexual activity are limited to more restricted certificates", "Violence remains one of the most problematic areas, especially where it is sexualised." --rache 21:10, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
So should the cagegories for this section be "R/M/MA" and "NC-17/X"? If no one's using "X," what's the rating above MA in fannish rating systems based on the Australian movie ratings?--Penknife 21:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
... no, wait, I get it, the Australian MA is like the American R and the Australian R is like the American NC-17. Whee! Okay, let me see if I can figure out how to make this clear in the "Fanfiction Ratings, as translated from other rating systems" section.--Penknife 21:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Just for fun, add the Canadian ratings into the mix: Canadian R is equivalent to American NC-17, while Canadian 18+ is equivalent to American R. I use the Canadian ratings on my own FK4 virtual season—and found the Forever Knight Wiki rather confusing at first, since it uses the American system. -- Greer Watson 13:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


ratings wrt fanart

The first sentence starts out saying "fanworks" but then switched to "fic" as if that was synomymous. I extended that to art, but also later the article kind of makes it sound as if fandom only uses and adapts ratings for fic when many fanart communities and newsletters require ratings for artwork. (I don't know about vids.) I don't know whether it's best to address different fan media separately, because it works different with fic, and most kerfuffles seem to be about that, or just expand the paragraphs to be a bit more inclusive in general.

Also, maybe something about some infrastructure requiring ratings, which supports their use beyond just archives. I mean, personally I find using US ratings ridiculous, and don't use them on my site (I wouldn't be allowed to publish what's legally age-restricted pornography here without providing secure individual age verification via photo ID, so anything I publish I assume is fit to be seen by children by local standard including sexual stuff) but to be listed in newsletters I add ratings in my LJ as some fandom newsletters require that info to link.

Also, I wonder whether the simpler label worksafe/not worksafe that's fairly common for content especially pictures on LJ, and in extension is also widely used for fanart, fits as a "rating" or is something else.--Ratcreature 14:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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