Talk:Adoption Fic
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Move Section?
I wonder if we should move the section 'Canon Orphans and Adoption' to a page of its own. It's quite long already (and will most likely grow even longer) and I feel it doesn't really belong here. I was thinking on making a page like List of Werewolf Fandoms or List of Witch Fandoms. Maybe 'List of Orphan Fandoms' would be a good name? --SecurityBreach (talk) 08:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- I think that we need to keep at least a few examples in the entry to make it clearer - it seems a bit odd to have e.g. a list of stories about adoption, but no reference to the canon they're based on - but I can see the sense of having a separate page for canon orphans / adoptions. I don't think 'List of Orphan Fandoms' is a good name - I think a lot of people would read that as meaning that the fandom is orphaned (e.g. by the fans moving on to another fandom in protest over something the original creators of a TV show had done), rather than a fandom about orphans. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 09:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
- Adoption Fic is trope and doesn't have anything to do with orphans in canon. Is there anything fannish to say about orphans in canon? If not, I don't see why we would need a list for these characters. --Doro (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the stories I've seen of this type begin with a character who is canonically an orphan, or can convincingly be presented as one due to canon circumstances, since that's the easiest way of justifying adoption. Yes, there are other reasons why a character may be adopted - and it's easy to invent them if you want a story about someone who wouldn't normally be adopted, such as someone who dies as a child in canon - but it's a very common starting point. I can see the sense in reducing the number of examples, but any discussion that doesn't reference them at all is going to be fairly incoherent. What would be useful for this entry is some fannish take on what people think of this type of story, I haven't seen much discussion of that anywhere. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Could we remove the large canon quote from Good Omens that's in the canon characters section? I would be in favour of keeping some/all of the canon examples on this page. But we could edit/change the section to focus on Orphaned or Adopted Characters that regularly feature in Adoption Fics? -- Auntags (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- The quote was my fault, but if we're going to cut this down it could certainly go, so long as Good Omens is at least mentioned since there are a lot of stories in this fandom. Concentration on the ones that turn up a lot in fanfic is a good idea, we can probably get rid of a good chunk of the list without problems. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 18:13, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- I think a list of canon orphans/adoptees is only relevant if it's mentioned how fandom treats them, or what alternate parents appear, or how their being orphans is addressed in fanworks. I think the list should be reduced in number and expanded in scope to cover how fandom deals with orphans/adoptions. (Example: There are plenty of alternate-adoptions for Harry Potter, where he was raised by someone other than the Dursleys. And there's fic about Natasha Romanov's upbringing by the Red Room. I don't know if there are fics addressing Bam-Bam Rubble's adopted status. (...and why is Luke Skywalker not on that list? I do know there are plenty of what-if fics about Luke's past.) - Elf (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Could we remove the large canon quote from Good Omens that's in the canon characters section? I would be in favour of keeping some/all of the canon examples on this page. But we could edit/change the section to focus on Orphaned or Adopted Characters that regularly feature in Adoption Fics? -- Auntags (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- Most of the stories I've seen of this type begin with a character who is canonically an orphan, or can convincingly be presented as one due to canon circumstances, since that's the easiest way of justifying adoption. Yes, there are other reasons why a character may be adopted - and it's easy to invent them if you want a story about someone who wouldn't normally be adopted, such as someone who dies as a child in canon - but it's a very common starting point. I can see the sense in reducing the number of examples, but any discussion that doesn't reference them at all is going to be fairly incoherent. What would be useful for this entry is some fannish take on what people think of this type of story, I haven't seen much discussion of that anywhere. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)