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| ==A Peek into History: A 2016 Conversation About Content, Policies, and History== | | ==A Peek into History: A 2016 Conversation About Content, Policies, and History== |
− | In 2016, a fan commented: "i didnt realise ao3 was started in response to lj deleting account relating to p//edophi|ia and they explicitly support the posting of such works yikes" <ref> [http://joestrummin.tumblr.com/post/148786246509 post at joestrummin.tumblr], since deleted] </ref> This post was deleted, and then reposted after it had gotten a long response. The original poster then wrote a much longer post with this excerpt: "The post was me starting to think about whether I want to post my own work on a website which also allows pedophiles to be present on it. That could lead to me being associated with them, or some way indirectly supporting such a community (by supporting the archive). Some moderator said, ‘If you want to kick certain kinds of content off of AO3, you do not belong on AO3 in the first place,’ so this was me thinking maybe I do not belong on AO3. And maybe I think other people should consider this also. But really I lack the personal investment or moral integrity to stop posting there, because I like getting weekly kudos emails." <ref> see the full exhange here: [http://joestrummin.tumblr.com/post/148894949419 joestrummin.tumblr] </ref> | + | In 2016, a fan commented: "i didnt realise ao3 was started in response to lj deleting account relating to p//edophi|ia and they explicitly support the posting of such works yikes" <ref> [http://joestrummin.tumblr.com/post/148786246509 post at joestrummin.tumblr], since deleted] </ref> |
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| + | This post was deleted, and then reposted after it had gotten a long response. The original poster then wrote a much longer post with this excerpt: "The post was me starting to think about whether I want to post my own work on a website which also allows pedophiles to be present on it. That could lead to me being associated with them, or some way indirectly supporting such a community (by supporting the archive). Some moderator said, ‘If you want to kick certain kinds of content off of AO3, you do not belong on AO3 in the first place,’ so this was me thinking ''maybe I do not belong on AO3''. And maybe I think other people should consider this also. But really I lack the personal investment or moral integrity to stop posting there, because I like getting weekly kudos emails." <ref> see the full exchange here: [http://joestrummin.tumblr.com/post/148894949419 joestrummin.tumblr] </ref> |
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− | it wasn’t, like, [[User:Mrs. Potato Head|MPH]] ([[User talk:Mrs. Potato Head|talk]])we luv pedophilia, it was way more complicated than that! | + | it wasn’t, like, we luv pedophilia, it was way more complicated than that! |
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| although it’s true AO3 does allow all fannish content provided it’s properly warned for, there’s a long history there - of spaces being used by fans until the host decided whatever we were doing was too weird and distasteful and either kicking us off, banning certain content, or changing the nature of the site until it was no longer viable as a host. | | although it’s true AO3 does allow all fannish content provided it’s properly warned for, there’s a long history there - of spaces being used by fans until the host decided whatever we were doing was too weird and distasteful and either kicking us off, banning certain content, or changing the nature of the site until it was no longer viable as a host. |
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| LONG STORY SHORT, even though pedophilia is reprehensible and I personally cannot stomach fanfic that involves that kind of content, AO3 was founded specially as a safe space for fandom communities that could not find homes elsewhere. it requires warnings precisely for that reason, and if you find a story that is not properly warned, you can alert the admins and get the story labeled appropriately. | | LONG STORY SHORT, even though pedophilia is reprehensible and I personally cannot stomach fanfic that involves that kind of content, AO3 was founded specially as a safe space for fandom communities that could not find homes elsewhere. it requires warnings precisely for that reason, and if you find a story that is not properly warned, you can alert the admins and get the story labeled appropriately. |
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− | IDK, maybe it’s just because I am, again, ancient, but I was in and around fandom before homosexuality was legal in all 50 states. so were most of the people who started AO3. for most of my formative life, being gay was associated with pedophilia, and so was writing about gay characters. just - it’s a lot more complicated than you might expect, and there’s a reason many older fans who have been involved in several generations of fandom were so grateful to have AO3 as an option. <Ref> [http://tomato-greens.tumblr.com/post/148787203881/joestrummin-i-didnt-realise-ao3-was-started-in ], August 11, 2016 </ref>}} | + | IDK, maybe it’s just because I am, again, ancient, but I was in and around fandom before homosexuality was legal in all 50 states. so were most of the people who started AO3. for most of my formative life, being gay was associated with pedophilia, and so was writing about gay characters. just - it’s a lot more complicated than you might expect, and there’s a reason many older fans who have been involved in several generations of fandom were so grateful to have AO3 as an option. <Ref> [http://tomato-greens.tumblr.com/post/148787203881/joestrummin-i-didnt-realise-ao3-was-started-in tomato-greens.tumblr], August 11, 2016 </ref>}} |
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− | I remember a time when even if you had gay characters doing nothing more than vacuuming and picking out curtains, you had to label your material NC-17 and prove you were over 18 just to buy the fanzine or access the online fic. Imagine how it felt to be a young gay teen and being told that your sexuality = pornography and lumped together with pedophilia? | + | {{Quotation2| |
| + | I remember a time when even if you had gay characters doing nothing more than vacuuming and picking out curtains, you had to label your material NC-17 and prove you were over 18 just to buy the fanzine or access the online fic. Imagine how it felt to be a young gay teen and being told that your <nowiki>sexuality = pornography</nowiki> and lumped together with pedophilia? |
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| I was stuck in a remote Canadian cabin when Strikethrough 2007 happened and could only watch it unfold in slow dial-up motion. The past is closer than you think. Witness the original post trying to link thousands of AO3 writers and readers to pedophilia. <Ref> [http://meeedeee.tumblr.com/post/149918618301/app1e-pi-tomato-greens-joestrummin-i meeedeee.tumblr], September 3, 2016 </ref>}} | | I was stuck in a remote Canadian cabin when Strikethrough 2007 happened and could only watch it unfold in slow dial-up motion. The past is closer than you think. Witness the original post trying to link thousands of AO3 writers and readers to pedophilia. <Ref> [http://meeedeee.tumblr.com/post/149918618301/app1e-pi-tomato-greens-joestrummin-i meeedeee.tumblr], September 3, 2016 </ref>}} |
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| Their policies specifically said that even if they do not support specific things personally, they would never remove it because it is a site for every single person, and they want to include everyone, not just fandoms that are popular or even just fandoms, but anyone, even original authors. <ref> [http://a-land-lacking-sleep.tumblr.com/post/149968938118/kantala13-ellie-nors-meeedeee-app1e-pi a-land-lacking-sleep.tumblr], September 5, 2016 </ref>}} | | Their policies specifically said that even if they do not support specific things personally, they would never remove it because it is a site for every single person, and they want to include everyone, not just fandoms that are popular or even just fandoms, but anyone, even original authors. <ref> [http://a-land-lacking-sleep.tumblr.com/post/149968938118/kantala13-ellie-nors-meeedeee-app1e-pi a-land-lacking-sleep.tumblr], September 5, 2016 </ref>}} |
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