Talk:Twilight

Twilight anti-review, images need

I'm trying to find an other Twilight anti-review that had hilarious pictures of Ewdard lurking in a forest (with only animated sparkles giving away his location). Anyone have a link?--Xenakis 22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

This one perhaps? Green Rat 23:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

YES! I'm adding it in now, thanks a lot!--Xenakis 23:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

reference for that demographics claim?

Right now the article says that Twilight was notable for "its interesting demographic of teen girls, and middle aged women who identify themselves as "Twimoms."" and I wondered whether there was any referernces for Twilight fandom being notably different from other fandoms for YA books? I mean, obviously it's going to have many teenage girls as that is the series' intended demographic, not that they are rare in other fandoms either, and media fandoms without middle aged women would be the exception, I think, so the only notable thing here would be the absence of Twilight fans that are in their 20s, I guess? I'm just a bit dubious about this, but then my contact with Twilight fandom is limited to having read some fanfic and some meta.--Ratcreature 00:11, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm not in the fandom myself, but I read a New York Times article that implied similar demographics. This seems to be the official media representation of Twilight fandom. I do know of a few 20 and 30somethings who are fans, but this is anecdotal evidence.--Aethel 04:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think then that should be clarified that it is the media perception, and a link to an article would be great. Because seriously, it's not that it is not possible the demographics are different, but mainstream news don't have the most accurate view of fandom.--Ratcreature 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I admit, I'm the one who wrote that, but I got all my demographic um, anecdata from fandom_wank, so I freely admit this isn't zogby or anything. --Betty 06:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be rephrased and noted then, otherwise the actual talk about Twilight fandom sounds like from the Anti-fandom's perspective, which isn't fair to the fandom, sparkly vampires with dubious gender politics or not. Maybe it would work to say: "Twilight fandom is notable for having attracted many first time (and feral) fans. The outside perception, e.g. in the media, is that its demographic consists solely of teen girls, and middle aged women who identify themselves as "Twimoms." "?--Ratcreature 07:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I as a fan hate this feral term, seems more like a way to subjugate women by their tastes. Even more when the work is created by a, introduced into film media by and targeted at women. I seriously consider removing this very prejudiced term from the article. As for saying that there is only twimoms, most fans, especially Brazilians, hate this designation, it was a form of offense. The fandom was highly ridiculed mainly by men, - I'm not being rude but it's hypocrisy guys being able to drool over shirtless action figures and women do not have the same right when an idol character appears. The page has been bathed by anti-fans who approach it with their eyes and one-sided visions. When I edit, I try to see the best way to build the page, without offending her fans or supporting her anti. Why can't the same be done here? It's sad to see how the article has been tagged on Fanlore's wish page for massive pro-fan editing to improve the article. Ellakbhesse (talk) 10:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

renaming the fanworks section

I renamed it to just fanworks and deleted the example I had added few days ago, because when I first edited I thought others would be adding Twilight fic they found remarkable too, but right now there just don't seem to be many Twilight fans on this wiki. I myself don't read enough in the fandom to have a solid overview, so it seemed really odd to just have a single "notable" fanwork listed for a fandom this large, and I rather deleted it.--Ratcreature 09:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

don't worry, the fandom is still alive and several notable works will be added soon. Ellakbhesse (talk) 10:03, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

perspective on Twilight fanfic and fans going pro

I found a comment in an unrelated journal post about fic archiving and deleting practices here. And also: people have created this entire genre of OOC fics that are not at all in the Twilight universe--basically, romance novels. This genre has led to three epublishing micropresses to spring up for the purpose of republishing these fanworks with the names and locations changed. (Each of these presses is owned and operated by people from the fandom, with the biggest coming from our biggest archive.) Does Fanlore have anything on this?--æþel 18:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know but I'll look for it. Because you see, the Twilight fandom has always been afraid mainly because of the hatred that was inflicted on us by others. Because of this I think many fans were afraid to edit the page. Here in Brazil some works inspired by twilight were modified to original universes due to their OOC nature, as happened with "50 Shades of Grey" in the USA, which was a fanfic Bedward (Edward/Bella). I'll try to see about this and add more information, fandom started years ago but it hasn't died out as many believe. Ellakbhesse (talk) 10:06, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Not about Twilight fans specifically, but we do have an article about fans pulling their works to go pro, Filing Off The Serial Numbers -- Kingstoken (talk) 10:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Separate page for anti-fandom?

I've been meaning to add more to the anti-fandom section of this page, because I remember so much of it from the late 00s-early 10s internet, and I think that this section has the potential to become very substantial, so does anyone have an objection to me spinning it off into a separate page? I think it was very much its own thing and doesn't really have much overlap with what will be on the rest of this page. I mean, Twilight hate was so big at one time that it spawned books and even a film.

We could keep some detail on this page about how, over time, many people who formerly hated on Twilight have moderated their position towards the series or seen it in a new light, e.g. Lindsay Ellis' "Dear Stephanie Meyer, I'm sorry" video. Or we could have that on the anti-fandom page as well. I'm in two minds. --enchantedsleeper (talk) 10:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm on the ship with you. I was a big victim of the "I hate the show, I love it now" and I was also a victim of the "you like it for being..." which led to a barrage of profanity and insults that went on since chauvinism to misogyny, even LGBTphobia and racism. In Brazil it's very complicated to be a fan, people are kind of crazy when the subject of hate and love is involved. So I'm on the ship with you. A page of its own would be best. I saw the rise of anti in my country up close. I've never felt so embarrassed for something I was a fan of as here in the fandoms other languages ​​it never gives me I saw friends hiding their books, burning their collections, crying because they were victims of hatred against what they liked. There were debates, newspaper articles and even fights and intense discussions about boys reading twilight and other books considered by girls. There was also a lot of dispute within the fandom itself about the teams, fans of a certain character #teamedward or #teamjacob which led to friendly and hateful jokes on the subject. I don't know about other countries, but when I was a teenager liking Twilight or Harry Potter was signing a death warrant The chase would come from where you least imagined. Ellakbhesse (talk) 10:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Since we are talking about anti-fandom I remembered that I read a small article about how the film was almost not produced due to the studio's prejudice with the work and wud the author herself interfered in the casting of actors for racist precepts about them and the characters. There is also the issue that the work created by a woman (both the book and the film) were judged as having no future and as soon as the film was successful, its director was fired, the idea of ​​adapting a teenage book ran wild because that was a year with great adaptations.cinematic based on what Catherine did with Twilight, as well as everything she worked on was revamped and handed over to different men to direct in the years to come. There are newspaper articles about how chauvinism and the misogynist view led to a great level of prejudice on the part of everyone against fandom and the work. Ellakbhesse (talk) 10:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)