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I don't recall the episode (I'm a bad fan, sorry) but wasn't there canon mpreg in Enterprise? It's not just in fanfic, I mean, it happens in canon too. Also I had never heard of the f/f variant, but now am curious, does it involve egg merging somehow? How does this transfer happen? I'd have thought there would be just parthenogenesis in f/f stories. I mean, sharks, birds and reptiles can do it after all, so it seems rather less far fetched than two female parents.--Ratcreature 21:44, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

It totally happened on Enterprise, to Trip. I think it was pretty early in the series. Jack Harkness too, depending on whether you belive him and whether he counts as human. --Nestra 00:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
@how it works in f/f... In one X/G series by Melissa Good it happens through sharing an apple. Yes, sharing an apple. *g* Something about the apple seeds; everything highly symbolic. --Doro 16:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


The opposite of mpreg is fempreg?

Isn't it just...pregnancy, where a woman carries a child to term and gives birth? I'm losing something here. --rache 01:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Where mpreg is generally one man being impregnated by another man (only occasionally by a female), as the article says, fempreg means a female being impregnated by another female. --Dora 01:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I edited out 'the opposite' part of the sentence, since both pregnancy and mpreg deal with who is carrying the child, not how it was created. --rache 01:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I actually hadn't heard of fempreg, but rather fpreg - and I've seen 'fpreg' used to describe both normal female pregnancy (such as this HP themed list: and f/f pregnancy (such as and Vissy 06:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you think we should change it to fpreg? I have no idea which use is more common and I have seen no example linked for "fempreg". --Doro 12:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Random example (first page of Google results for "fempreg"). (Fempreg is also the only term I can remember seeing, not that that means much.) So I'd say mention both terms. --Dora 14:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, probably best to mention both terms as well as the confusion about them. I'm definitely no expert - I'm a voracious mpreg reader but generally don't read much femslash - but 'fpreg' was foremost in my head as the term for f/f pregnancy, so I must have picked it up somewhere in my multifannish trawlings. I'm guessing there's some fannish drift going on here, exacerbated by the basic rareness of f/f pregnancy in any given fandom.Vissy 20:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I just noticed an fpreg tag on the AOOO tag page for this story: (and no fempreg tag as yet). Vissy 01:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

no middle ground?

I'm not sure that this is true. Maybe I'm the exception, but I'll read mpreg, especially if it is a neat SF premise or otherwise cool worldbuilding which I like in general, but otoh I'm not that fond of pregancy fic of any kind (female or male), so if the motivation is just to have a male character experience pregnancy, it's not my thing. So I guess I'm a bit ambivalent about it, with a "depends" position on whether I like it or not. I agree that it is one of the polarizing genres, where tastes are maybe more split into "pro/con", but I think just like with other genres like that (RPS, chan, rapefic, whatever) there are also plenty of fairly indifferent people, they just don't care enough to write manifestos, I suspect.--Ratcreature 10:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I took a stab at the paragraph, but I'm not sure I improved it: "Mpreg is a rather polarizing genre, like RPS, chan, rapefic, and others, where many fans go out of their way to avoid it, and relatively few fans are indifferent to it." Maybe you could keep editing it?

definition needed?

Why are we defining "pregnancy"? It's a common-knowledge, non-fannish term.--Penknife 13:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't know whether it needs to be defined, but I think the way pregancy in fiction ties into horror and sf tropes makes it more complicated as a term than the biology. Maybe eventually an article about pregancy as a story trope, both the 'regualar' domestic fic variety and he sf/horror ones would be a good idea.--Ratcreature 14:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree, an article on pregnancy as a story trope would be a great idea -- there's a lot to say about domestic fic, sf/horror tropes, and fan criticisms of some pregnancy storylines as antifeminist. I just don't think we need the dictionary definition. Let me see if I can work up a stub article for that, and then we can just link "pregnancy" there.--Penknife 16:11, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I defined it as I got confused by the term 'fempreg', which has to do with how the child is conceived, and not who carries it to term. I think that without the actual definition listed, that nuance is lost, and pregnancy and fempreg look like synonyms, even with fempreg defined in the text. --rache 16:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I've tweaked the "fempreg" section to make it clearer that it's not about all pregnancy -- does that help? I don't think the dictionary definition does help, because it applies to both typical pregnancy and fempreg: in both, a woman conceives a child and carries it to term. It's just that in fempreg, the conception happens through non-standard means.--Penknife 16:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that is much better, thanks! --rache 16:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

SEX IN HIS BELLYBUTTON!!! Oh fandom, ILU--Betty 16:32, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

removing dead links

A link to a story was removed, I'm assuming because the link is dead? I haven't read the story, so I don't have a vested interest in keeping it, but I just wanted to point out that you don't have to remove examples just because they're not online! Er, but if there was some other reason to remove it, never mind.--æþel 01:36, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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